Interview: Tim Burton talks eye-opening story of Margaret Keane with ‘Big Eyes’

With nominations from the Golden Globes, Independent Spirit Awards and Critics Choice Movie Awards already to its credit, there’s no question famed director Tim Burton’s latest film, “Big Eyes,” is in serious  contention for more honors as the film world draws closer to the Academy Awards. But truth be told, the twice-Oscar nominated Burton has never been interested in winning awards himself, and would rather forgo a trip to any podium to make sure the people who most deserve the accolades finally get their due.

Burton said in the case of “Big Eyes,” any awards attention means a bigger victory for Margaret Keane, 87, the subject of one of the strangest cases of art fraud the world has ever seen. Passionately brought to the big-screen by Burton and his “Ed Wood” screenwriters Scott Alexander and Larry Karaszewski, the film tells the story of the artist (Amy Adams), who in the 1950s and ’60s stood silent as her scheming husband, Walter Keane (Christoph Waltz), took credit for her world-renown paintings of big-eyed children — until she found the courage to expose the fraud.

“Scott and Larry showed Margaret the movie while I was still finishing it, and she got quite emotional,” Burton recalled for me in a recent interview. “It was interesting to hear things like, ‘Oh, my God, that was like Walter.’ Because we weren’t there and the history is sort of sketchy to us, it was gratifying to hear that we sort of captured some emotional things that really touched her. It was really nice to hear those things because she really is a special person.”

Burton largely credits Adams with capturing the spirit of Margaret Keane, who appears in a background cameo early in the film, as well as in a photo with the actor during the end credits.

“From Amy’s point of view, after meeting her, she really wanted to do her justice,” Burton said. “It’s hard, because it’s a strange character. She’s very quiet, very shy, but not a victim. She has a really strong core, and she found her voice in a way that she only could do it. It was important to me, the writers and Amy to get things right.”

Margaret Keane and Amy Adams on the set of 'Big Eyes'
Margaret Keane and Amy Adams on the set of ‘Big Eyes’ (photo: The Weinstein Co.)

Big influence

Anyone familiar with Burton’s artwork well knows that the characters in his sketches and paintings generally have big, rounded eyes with small pupils — characteristics that have been most often realized on the big-screen in the director’s stop-motion animated classics “Vincent,” “The Nightmare Before Christmas,” “Corpse Bride” and “Frankenweenie.”

And while Margaret Keane’s big-eyed subjects have large pupils, Burton said he was no doubt influenced early in his life by the artist’s distinct style. Born and raised in Burbank, California, Burton said he vividly recalled the “Children of the Damned” meets Rod Serling’s “Night Gallery”-type of spooky images by the San Francisco-based artist thought to be Walter Keane hanging everywhere.

“What probably influenced me was the mixture of emotions that you get by looking at the images,” Burton observed. “There’s sort of an eerie quality and sadness, as well as a darkness and humor and color. All those things together obviously resonated with people. There were a whole other artists that tried copying it, but couldn’t quite capture that unique strangeness of the images.”

While “Big Eyes” gives Burton the opportunity to tell Margaret Keane’s story through the medium everybody knows the filmmaker for, the material actually holds a deeper meaning for him because of his background as a sketch artist and painter.

“Big Eyes” executive producer Derek Frey — who has been collaborating with Burton since “Mars Attacks!” in 1996 — says the revelation of the depth of his friend’s work in the 2009 book “The Art of Tim Burton” (Steeles Publishing) and subsequent exhibit at the Museum of Modern Art in New York City that same year without question put Burton on the path to direct “Big Eyes.”

“‘Big Eyes’ is probably a film that he wouldn’t have made five or six years ago,” Frey told me in a separate interview. “When I started working with him, I knew of this hoard of art work he had and how prolific he was. People knew that he sketched and that he came from animation, but what they don’t realize is that he continues to draw something every single day.  It wasn’t until the MoMA show started that people started to understand that this was more than something he did when he was young. It’s something that still drives him as an artist and a filmmaker, and that is something that really drew him to the ‘Big Eyes’ story.”

Apart from connecting with Margaret Keane as an artist, Frey believes the similar reactions people had to Burton’s films and Keane’s paintings, respectfully (or disrespectfully, in the case of critics), were  major factors in his commitment to directing the film.

“Of course, he knew of Margaret Keane before getting the script and knew of her story in the 1950s and ’60s, but what drew him to the project initially was the fact that the work was embraced and consumed by the general public, but then panned by the critics. Tim could relate to that,” said Frey, referring to the uneven critiques of the director’s work over the years. “The reviews of the paintings weren’t positive, but yet the exhibits continued to break records with people coming all over the world to see them. They inspired people to go to museums or pick up a paint brush. As Tim the filmmaker, being able to relate to how critics viewed his work was definitely something very personal to him in relation to  ‘Big Eyes’ and Margaret Keane as an artist.”

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The windows to Margaret’s soul

Burton said that throughout his career, he’s been fascinated by certain actors’ eyes and their ability to help tell a story, from  frequent collaborators Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter to Winona Ryder and Eva Green — the “Dark Shadows” star who has the lead role for his next film, “Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children.”

Perhaps it was a bit of a happy accident then that Adams — whom Burton cast to paint, in a cinematic sense, the big-eyed children — had a mesmerizing set of eyes herself to help reflect Keane’s view of the odd circumstances she was trapped in.

“What was so amazing to me about Amy was, by just staring, you feel so much emotion in her. At least I did,” Burton said. “You feel this sort of conflict going on inside of her without her doing anything. You feel it just by looking at her. I find those kind of actors amazing.”

Burton believes the reason Adams’ portrayal is resonating with preview audiences and yes, even with those pesky critics, is because her portrayal isn’t just merely about recreating brushstrokes. Instead, Burton captures through Adams’ eyes and the window to Margaret Keane’s soul the inner-turmoil of a woman in a time where females’ roles in society were greatly unappreciated and far under-valued.

What made the situation unique, of course, was that Margaret Keane was also an artist in  a time where women, apart from Georgia O’Keefe, were not accepted in the art world, and she was effectively being forced by Walter Keane to follow his lead without questioning his motives and churn out the big-eyed children for immense profit. The relationship — an odd dynamic of a man trying to suppress his wife’s self-esteem while she was expected keep her creative impulses intact — did not exactly reflect the typical portrait of a nuclear family 50 years ago, Burton said.

“They sort of represented the times to me in a way, where the idea of the American Dream with a husband, wife and kids was changing,” said Burton. “With the Keanes, you had this dysfunctional relationship where they were creating these weird, mutant children with these paintings. So in some way, their story represents, symbolically, something to me about the time and how it was changing from one era to another from the ’50s into the ’60s. They captured the spirit of the changing times, but in a weird way.”

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Interview: Lee Pace talks ‘The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies’

Of course, writer-director Peter Jackson and WETA Digital have created some pretty amazing special effects with their films based on the legendary works of J.R.R. Tolkien since the first “Lord of the Rings” movie in 2001. But sometimes, as acclaimed actor Lee Pace discovered in “The Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies,” nothing beats practical effects — like riding an elk.

Well, sort of.

Pace, who reprises the pivotal role of the elven king Thranduil in the final installment of “The Hobbit” trilogy, revealed to me in a recent call from London that the four-legged beast he’s riding in the film is doing a bit of play-acting himself.

“The elk was played by a horse named ‘Moose,'” Pace said, laughing.

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Lee Pace in “The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies” (photo: Warner Bros.).

There’s no question that Pace has done a bit of shape-shifting himself throughout his career. Whether he was playing Ned, an ordinary pie-maker who has the extraordinary gift of bringing the dead back to life in the brilliant but under-appreciated television comedy, “Pushing Daisies,” or the blue-skinned villain, Ronan the Accuser, in the summer sci-fi blockbuster “Guardians of the Galaxy,” Pace said he’s always been up for, well, a change of pace.

“I play characters for a living, that’s all I do. I don’t have to market things and I don’t have to cut the film together. I connect to the character and try to find a way for other people to connect to the character and bring it to life,” Pace said. “There are some characters like Ned, who’s a human and in many ways very close to me, and then there’s Ronan and Thranduil, who are very far away from me. They look different than I do and behave and think differently than I do. I love that opportunity to get away from boring me and play something extraordinary.”

Opening in 2D and 3D theaters nationwide on Wednesday, “The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies” finds Bilbo Baggins (Martin Freeman) and the Company of Dwarves in a deadly conflict with the monstrous dragon, Smaug (voice of Benedict Cumberbatch), and other evil forces. The dwarves might have to battle their enemies to save the Lonely Mountain alone, though, unless they can overcome differences with the elves and humans, who could possibly aid them in what will certainly be a fight to the death.

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The film also stars Ian McKellen and Christopher Lee as the wizards Gandalf and Saruman, respectively; Richard Armitage as the dwarf king Thorin Oakenshield; Evangline Lilly as the elven warrior Tauriel; and Orlando Bloom as the elven warrior Legolas — the son of Pace’s Thranduil.

Pace, 35, said he relates to the enormous fan base of “The Hobbit” and “The Lord of the Rings” books and movies, mostly because his love for the material stretches back to his childhood.

“I read ‘The Hobbit’ when I was a kid. I feel like it was one of the first books my dad put in my hands,” recalled Pace, an Oklahoma native who grew up in Texas. “I also have real clear memory of being in high school and reading ‘The Lord of the Rings.’ Reading that was like a door of nature opening up to me, and suddenly I was aware of trees and how they’re an important part of these stories.”

Naturally, as a part of the production and still a deep admirer of the source material, Pace said he feels a responsibility to help get the story right for the fans on the big screen.

“A part of you does the role for the fans, because it’s no fun rehearsing the role for yourself in your bathroom,” Pace said, laughing. “So you want to honor the character that Tolkien wrote, but I also think it’s important to honor your own artistry and express the character as the character inspires you.”

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Pace noted again that while the elven king is very far from who he is in real life, as he watched the films, he saw more of himself than he ever expected to witness.

“I see his quest for isolation, which is a condition that Tolkien wrote into the book. It’s not what the story is about as a whole, but it became what the story is about to me,” Pace said. “I think that’s expressed in this last movie, because we see a little bit into why he is so isolated, why he is so hard-hearted, and why he is trying to shut his doors to the rest of the world to keep his people safe. The more I do interviews about the role, the more I understand that sub-conscious thing that the character brought out in me — about being fearful of the danger outside and wanting to protect what’s important to me.”

On the lighter side, given the far-reaching impact of “The Hobbit” films, Pace said while he’s recognized a lot more in public now, he doesn’t let the notoriety fill his ego.

“I actually think people are actually pretty disappointed when they see me in public because, in the movie I have this beautiful, long hair, piercing blue eyes and wearing incredible armor riding a giant elk,” Pace said, laughing. “When they see me on the street, they’re only seeing boring me and are disappointed.”

At least the reaction isn’t as strange as when Pace is recognized as Ronan from “Guardians of the Galaxy,” as fans try to mimic with him one of the final scenes in the movie.

“They sing to me, ‘Ooh, child, things are gonna get easier …,'” Pace sang with a chuckle. “It’s like they’re trying to start a dance-off.”

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Tim reviews the biblical epic “Exodus: Gods and Kings” and comedy “Top Five” on KARE-TV in Minneapolis with Diana Pierce below. Also, you can read Tim’s review on BringMeTheNews.com and hear Tim review the films on The Tom Barnard Podcast K-TWIN-FM and WOC AM.

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Interview: Christoph Waltz talks ‘Horrible Bosses 2’

Even though he’s been funny in films before — having drawn laughs while in absurd situations in the Quentin Tarantino gems “Inglorious Basterds” and “Django Unchained” — acclaimed Austrian actor Christopher Waltz has never really had the opportunity to be in an American comedy, so he was thrilled with the offer to act in “Horrible Bosses 2.”

Still, the two-time Oscar-winning actor humbly admitted to me in a recent interview, when it came to deciding whether he wanted to star opposite Jason Bateman, Jason Sudeikis and Charlie Day, he knew he wasn’t asked to do the sequel to the 2011 comedy blockbuster to make people laugh, necessarily, but to bring more of a serious presence to help set up some very funny situations.

Christoph Waltz in 'Horrible Bosses 2' (photo: Warner Bros.).
Christoph Waltz in ‘Horrible Bosses 2’ (photo: Warner Bros.).

“They wanted me for a reason, and that reason wasn’t to be the fourth funny guy, which I couldn’t have done,” Waltz said. “Had they asked me to be the fourth funny guy, I would have had to decline, regretfully, because I couldn’t do that. Maybe in a different situation I could contribute comedy in some sort of way, but my contribution in this case was to be the straight guy, because a straight guy is necessary.”

“Horrible Bosses 2” reunites  Bateman, Sudeikis and Day as Nick, Kurt and Dale, three former tormented office subordinates who emerged from the shadows of their horrible bosses in the first movie to become their own bosses and form their own company.

Coming up with an invention that they’re sure will be a hit on the market, the trio catches the attention of Rex Hanson (Chris Pine) — the irresponsible son of business magnate Bert Hanson (Waltz) — who convinces his multimillionaire dad to invest in the start-up and distribute the product. But just as the product is produced, Bert cancels the deal with the newbie businessmen, leaving them $500,000 in debt with no legal recourse.

Desperate to avoid financial ruin, Nick, Kurt and Dale decide that the fastest way they can get their money back is to kidnap Rex and demand that Bert pay the ransom — a plan that Rex, as the trio finds out, wants to be a part of.

Opening with special screenings Tuesday night before its official wide release Wednesday, “Horrible Bosses 2” also features the return of Jamie Foxx as crime consultant Mother (expletive) Jones; Jennifer Aniston as Dale’s former sex-addicted boss, Julia; and Kevin Spacey as Nick’s now-imprisoned evil former boss, Dave.

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Although Bateman, Sudeikis and Day had already well-established their chemistry with the first “Horrible Bosses” movie, Waltz said he didn’t feel like an outsider trying to break into an exclusive club with the sequel. He said there was no room for feeling intimidated because the success of any film, much like a sequel, is never guaranteed, and all the actors were on equal ground, no matter how many times they’ve worked with each other before.

“They’re comedians, but they’re also actors, so they know what it feels like to come into a new situation,” Waltz said. “They were welcoming of me, but even if they had not been, and cooperative and helpful as they actually were, I still would have served my purpose on the film because of the way the characters are set up. It’s part of the job to orient yourself as quickly as possible and participate in what you’re asked to be a part of.”

Due to the conniving nature of his character, Waltz, who will next star in the Tim Burton drama “Big Eyes,” said he was asked by director and co-writer Sean Anders to treat his role as if he were acting in something different than a comedy.

“What I really liked about Sean is that he treated this movie like a thriller, too,” Waltz observed. “He was not saying, nothing else matters and it has to be a funny movie — not one bit. Everything was really, really thought out like it was a thriller. This guy is not only talented, he’s knowledgeable and polite. He planned his stuff and led the whole shoot like a real director.”

Sharing in the suspense with Waltz was Pine, his big-screen son. Although their characters don’t see eye-to-eye,  the two got along famously, Waltz said.

“He’s fabulous and so good-looking on top of it. That’s not fair, is it?” Waltz asked, laughing. “He’s the loveliest guy you could imagine. All of his qualities converged on film and added up to one great guy.”