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Interview: Jonathan Nolan talks groundwork of ‘Interstellar’

Matthrew McConauhey in 'Interstellar' (inset Jonathan Nolan)

By Tim Lammers

If you found yourself desperate to watch “Interstellar” again after you caught the sci-fi epic on the big screen, Jonathan Nolan is thrilled to reopen up the rocket hatch for another ride on home video.

In fact, the heralded screenwriter, who co-wrote the critically acclaimed blockbuster with his director brother, Christopher Nolan, told me that the two crafted the screenplay as such so movie fans would want to see the film again, hoping they would absorb even more details the second time around.

“That’s the way my brother and I grew up watching movies. If we found one we liked, we watched it obsessively,” Jonathan Nolan, who goes by Jonah, said in a phone interview Monday. “If we found more detail in the second and third viewings, that really became the hallmark of a great film to us.

“With ‘Interstellar,’ there were extra challenges there involving mind-bending physics and the science that we grounded the film in, and that took us years and years to figure out on our end,” Nolan added. “It’s a film that has a density to it on that level, and hopefully it will be enjoyed more and more on that level as you begin to understand the rule-set and some of the concepts that are quite alien the first time through them. Space-time curvature and time warps are a lot to wrap your head around.”

Interview: Christopher Nolan talks ‘Interstellar’

New on Blu-ray and DVD (Paramount Home Media Distribution), “Interstellar” stars Matthew McConaughey as Cooper, a former pilot and engineer-turned-farmer in an unspecified time in Earth’s future. Climate conditions reminiscent of the Dust Bowl era of the 1930s have eliminated much of the world’s food supply, and blight has eradicated wheat and farmers can only grow corn.

Following an odd ghost-like occurrence involving his youngest daughter, Murph (MacKenzie Foy), Cooper finds his way to the now secretly-funded NASA, which  tells him that his children’s generation will be the last to survive on the dying planet. Prompted by his old colleague, Professor Brand (Michael Caine), Cooper is asked to pilot an interstellar mission to another galaxy in hopes of finding a world where the human race can survive. The catch is, the widower will have to leave Murph and her older brother behind, perhaps never to see them again.

“Interstellar” also stars Anne Hathaway as Brand’s daughter, Amelia — a doctor on the spacecraft whose emotional vulnerabilities cloud the mission — and Jessica Chastain as the adult version of Murph, who has grown up resenting her father because she felt abandoned.

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With a narrative that ties together such elaborate concepts as wormholes, black holes and the idea of love transcending the boundaries of space and time, Nolan no doubt tackled with his brother  their most ambitious project to date with “Interstellar”; and we’re talking the same brothers who brilliantly penned mind-bending complexities into such films the last two chapters of the “The Dark Knight” trilogy, “The Prestige” and “Memento” (Jonah penned the original short story, while Christopher wrote the screenplay).

“For me, and I can’t speak for Chris, the ambition was to try to tell a story that certainly wouldn’t encompass, but pointed to the full scope of the human experience,” Jonah Nolan explained. “Most of the films you watch, with a handful of exceptions — ‘2001: A Space Odyssey’ being one of them — concentrate on one protagonist and one storyline. But really, the human story for me — especially when I looked at the achievements of NASA and the scientists involved, and the scientists from Newton onward, building the work of the work of ones that came before them for thousands of years — was really a generational story.”

So, Nolan said, while McConaughey’s Cooper is “one protagonist in the piece,” there’s ultimately something going on that’s much bigger than him.

“The real protagonist is humanity, and the work that we do that we hand from one generation to the next in the hopes that we might survive and maybe even prosper,” Nolan said.

Ground zero

Perhaps the most interesting aspect of “Interstellar’s” history is that the film did not originate as a project for the Nolan brothers. In fact, one of the film’s producers, Lynda Obst and world-renown theoretical physicist Kip Thorne (who was a consultant on the script and was an executive producer), first hired Jonah Nolan to write the script with Steven Spielberg attached to direct.

Once the opportunity came for Christopher Nolan to direct the film, Jonah Nolan said his brother didn’t scrap what he started to build things from scratch, but continued to add layers to the foundation of his younger sibling’s narrative.

“When I worked with Kip, Lynda and Steven, I brought some ideas to the table and they brought some, and when Chris came to the project, he brought some of his own,” Nolan said. “Often what happens with my collaborations with Chris is, he gets in there and takes one of my ideas and puts his own inimitable spin on it, or adds a beautiful idea of his own.”

One of the biggest changes Christopher Nolan made to the script, Jonah Nolan said, came with a recalibration of the ending of the screenplay, giving it a much more powerful emotional punch.

“The ending to my script was quite pedestrian in comparison to his, and what Chris added to it had the scope and scale of the emotion in the film. It was so beautiful,” Nolan observed. “We have a really fun relationship because he gets to take my ideas and twist them around, and I get to take his ideas and twist them around. We surely think alike in a lot of ways, but he has his own unique perspective.”

And in the case of “Interstellar,” that perspective of being a parent drove Christopher Nolan and eventually, Jonah.

“Most of the work I did on ‘Interstellar’ happened before I was a parent or even married. But when he started working on the script, he had lots of kids and brought that perspective to it,” Jonah Nolan said. “He was bringing the perspective of a father to the storyline, where I was kind of guessing the emotions you would feel with a real acuity. The script clearly benefited from that. It’s always a great experience collaborating on a project with him for that very reason.”

While Christopher Nolan has yet to announce his next project, Jonah Nolan is well into his. The filmmaker wrote and directed the pilot episode of his new HBO series “Westworld,” starring the likes of Anthony Hopkins, James Marsden, Ed Harris and Thandie Newton. Created by Nolan and his wife, Lisa Joy, the re-imagining of the 1973 sci-fi favorite starring Yul Brynner film will debut sometime this year.

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Reviews: Tim Lammers talks ‘Interstellar,’ ‘Big Hero 6’ on KARE-TV, more

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Tim reviews the sci-fi action drama “Interstellar” and the family animated superhero comedy “Big Hero 6” on KARE-TV in Minneapolis with Bryan Piatt below. Also, you can read Tim’s review on BringMeTheNews.com and hear Tim review the films on KQRS-FM (7 minutes in) WCCO-AM (15 and-a-half-minutes in), K-TWIN-FM and KSCR-FM. Also read Tim’s interview with “Interstellar” writer-director Christopher Nolan HERE.

 

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Interview: Christopher Nolan talks new dimensions of ‘Interstellar’

While filmmaking is at its heart an art form, acclaimed writer-director Christopher Nolan has also always been on the forefront of embracing the science that powers the industry, especially the technical aspects of shooting his movies — still on film, mind you — and presenting them in the IMAX format.

And in the case of his latest epic, the sci-fi opus “Interstellar,” Nolan doesn’t only want audiences to board the rocket with Matthew McConaughey and company, he wants them to feel it.

“In the IMAX format, we aggressively mixed the sound in what we call the low-end. We want you to feel the seat shaking like you’re in a rocket. We want you to feel exhausted by the end of the film, but in a good way exhausted,” Nolan told me, laughing, in a phone call from New York Tuesday. “However, as much the film has to say in terms of its themes and ideas about humanity, it’s first a roller coaster ride. I want them to feel like they’ve been through an experience with these characters. It’s paramount to what we do.”

Opening on IMAX screens across the country Wednesday and everywhere Friday, “Interstellar” stars McConaughey as Cooper, a farmer in an unspecified time in Earth’s future where conditions reminiscent of the Dust Bowl era of the 1930s has eliminated much of the world’s food supply. Blight has eradicated wheat and farmers can only grow corn, and as Cooper finds out from the now secretly-funded NASA, his children’s generation will be the last to survive on the dying planet.

A former pilot and engineer whose aspirations were waylaid because of the planet’s deteriorating condition and shift in the government’s fiscal priorities, Cooper finally gets his chance to live his dreams and command a space module on a potential life-saving voyage that will secure Earth’s future. However, the mission comes with great sacrifice as Cooper, a widower, will be forced to leave his 10-year-old daughter, Murph (Mackenzie Foy), and teenage son, Tom (Timothee Chalamet), behind — possibly forever.

A film that explores such concepts as wormholes, black holes and the notion of love transcending the dimensions of space and time, “Interstellar” also stars Nolan’s frequent collaborator, Michael Caine, as Professor Brand — a theoretical physicist who formulates Cooper’s trek to new galaxies; Anne Hathaway as Brand’s daughter, Amelia, a doctor venturing with Cooper whose emotional vulnerabilities cloud the mission; and Jessica Chastain as the adult version of Murph, who has come to resent her father over feelings of abandonment.

Always one to ground his films in real life and present the details as accurately as possible, Nolan went to great lengths to quantify the scientific aspects of “Interstellar.”

Nolan is ready to admit that the scientific formulas will likely be hard to grasp for the average audience member, but that’s OK since he’s not as much concerned about people learning about what it takes to  travel through a wormhole as he is having them travel through one as part of the cinematic experience.

“There is a lot of science in this film, but it’s there for the people who are interested in it and want to dig a little deeper. I liken it, otherwise, to watching a James Bond film where he’s trying to diffuse a nuclear bomb. You don’t need to know how that works, you just need to know that if he doesn’t do it, it’s going to blow up,” Nolan said, laughing. “I like to think that the film has emotional clarity — narrative clarity — but it has to be a fun ride first and foremost.”

Much like the uncertainty that clouds the dusty Earth in “Interstellar,” Nolan said he faced a fair amount of unknowns creating the film. Driven by the idea of presenting images never seen on film before, Nolan said he feasts in a way on fear. Otherwise, no risk means no reward.

“Every film you want to have things in there that really frighten you, and there were plenty of those experiences I wanted to find out for myself in ‘Interstellar’ in terms of what things would look like and feel like (in the depths of outer space),” Nolan said. “I had a great team, from visual effects supervisor Paul Franklin and (special effects coordinator) Scott Fisher, to the great theoretical physicist Kip Thorne. Kip was able to work with the visual effects guys and give them the actual equations for how a wormhole would look, how a black hole would bend light around it. He explained it and they were able to render it more accurately than it’s ever been done before.”

Nolan said one of the great things he found out working with the likes of Thorne was that at times, he found out “truth is indeed stranger than fiction.”

“We were coming up with stuff in real science that was far more mind-blowing than anything I could think of as a writer,” Nolan said. “That gave me a lot of confidence in addressing these cosmic issues, because you’re dealing with hard facts and hard science, and ultimately getting imagery that you’ve never seen before.”

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While “Interstellar” is grounded in reality, the last thing Nolan wanted to do was alienate his audience by layering in contemporary, hot-button issues like climate change or global warming to set up the dying planet narrative. Instead, to avoid any sort of “movie message” storyline that would come off as preachy, he and his co-screenwriter brother, Jonah, rooted “Interstellar” in a setting akin to the Dust Bowl of the 1930s.

Simply put, Nolan said his responsibility as a filmmaker is to entertain his audiences, not push an agenda on them.

“We go to the movies to escape, and that’s why the film isn’t about global warming or addresses climate change,” Nolan explained. “‘Interstellar’ deals with an agricultural crisis of the type that has happened before, and that was to give the idea of the film credibility. I want people to feel afraid for the end of the world at the beginning of the film. I want them to feel like these guys really have to do something to save it.”

Nolan noted that if he were indeed trying to push something onto his audiences, he woefully fell short.

“Very specifically, Michael Caine’s character says, ‘We’re not meant to save the world. We’re meant to leave it.’ That certainly isn’t a very great environmental message,” Nolan said, laughing. “I hadn’t have done a good job if I was supposed to be wagging my finger.”

If anything, Nolan says he hopes “Interstellar” will make people think about humankind’s relationship with the planet and our place in the universe, and ultimately, what else is out there.

“Right now the film is about fiction, but I believe one day one day we are going to strike out to the wider universe in real life,” Nolan said. “I hope we do that out of choice rather than necessity. In a movie, it’s got to be out of necessity. You’ve got to understand that these guys have to do this right now. They have to go.”

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