Tim joined Tom Barnard and the Morning Show crew on the “The KQ Morning Show” on KQRS-FM Thursday to review the new theatrical/HBO Max release “The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It” and theatrical release “Spirit: Untamed” On Friday, Tim will reviewed the films with Paul Douglas and Jordana Green on the “Paul and Jordana” show on WCCO-AM. Click to listen to everything below, including Tim’s appearance to review the films Thursday on “The BS Show.” All of the segments are brought to you by Michael Bryant and Bradshaw & Bryant.
Tim Lammers reviews movies weekly for “The KQ92 Morning Show” with Tom Barnard on KQRS-FM, “Paul and Jordana” with Paul Douglas and Jordana Green on WCCO Radio, “It Matters with Kelly Cordes” on WJON-AM, KLZZ-FM, “Let’s Talk Movies with Tim Lammers” with Tim Matthews on KRWC-AM, “The Tom Barnard Podcast” and “The BS Show” with Bob Sansevere, and reviews streaming programming on WCCO Radio’s “Paul and Jordana” as well. On TV, Tim has made hundreds of guest appearances on NBC affiliate KARE on the news program “KARE 11 News at 11”.
With the release of director Michael Chaves’ “The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It,” Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga reprise the roles they originated in director James Wan’s 2013 blockbuster horror thriller “The Conjuring.” Read below the original interview Tim did with Wilson before the release of the film in July 2013.
Interview originally posted July 17, 2013.
Oftentimes filmmakers and actors need to conjure up some ridiculous premise to get audiences to jump up out of their seats and scream. But true fans of horror can be assured no such gimmicks are used for “The Conjuring,” director James Wan’s unnerving, true-life horror tale starring Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga.
The film chronicles a previously untold case by famed real-life demonologists Ed and Lorraine Warren, who for decades starting in the 1960s conducted thousands of paranormal investigations. The events told in “The Conjuring” — set in 1971 — predate one of their most noted encounters, which would later become known as “The Amityville Horror.”
While films about hauntings and demonic possession are nothing new in cinema — and the subject matter is particularly over-exploited on reality TV shows — Wilson feels audiences will feel refreshed by the story of the Warrens in “The Conjuring” because the couple took an interest in the field when it wasn’t exactly fashionable.
“The thing I kept going back to in this was the fact that the Warrens started doing this in the ’60s — a long, long time ago in terms of TV and the technology, where there were no shows about it and there was so little known about it,” Wilson told me in a recent interview.
Plus, he added, their motives were much different from what you see with the so-called paranormal investigators nowadays, even though their most famous case was met with skepticism.
“In my opinion, which is a very strong one, they came about it from a very honest place of wanting to help people,” Wilson said. “They were devout Catholics who really felt that there was this underbelly of evil and if they could help people, they were of service — even when Amityville came out, which put them in the national spotlight. But like with anything, any success is going to bring a lot of backlash.”
“The Conjuring” finds Ed and Lorraine Warren (Wilson and Farmiga) on the road, spending their time between college lectures discussing their findings and conducting investigations.
And while they’ve encountered their share of disturbing cases, there’s something particularly unnerving about the experiences of Roger and Carolyn Perron (Ron Livingston and Lili Taylor), who along with their five daughters have encountered a dark and malevolent force in their newly-acquired Pennsylvania farmhouse.
Although Wilson has acted in a wide range of genres — from musicals with “The Phantom of the Opera” and superhero with “Watchmen,” to action adventure with “The A-Team” and drama with “Little Children” — he’s no doubt been drawn to the supernatural and horror in recent years with roles in TV’s “A Gifted Man” and Wan’s 2010 smash hit “Insidious.”
And while Wilson will team with Wan once again for “Insidious: Chapter 2” later this year, he insists that the path he’s taken with his career of late is more by happenstance than it is by design. The big key, Wilson said, was his first meeting with Wan, which opened the actor up to the idea of doing films in the genre.
“I felt like I avoided the horror genre a long time until ‘Insidious’ came to me,” Wilson said. “But one meeting with James really got me hooked. The paranormal aspect of my career has really been by coincidence.”
The best thing about working with Wan, Wilson noted, is that the director is as concerned as much about the story as he is about the things that go bump in the night to engage his audiences. And with a story of demonic possession at the core of “The Conjuring,” Wilson is convinced moviegoers will get an experience that will stay with them long after the lights go up in the theater.
“It’s a movie that’s very character driven, yet there’s an evil lurking under it. It’s the flip side of the religious coin, for the lack of a better term and James isn’t afraid to go there,” Wilson said. “He really brought it to another level.”
The Conjuring Universe has added another thrilling new chapter to its already impressive library of films with “The Curse of La Llorona,” a scary good ghost chiller that tells the haunting story of the “Weeping Woman” of Latin American folklore. True, “The Curse of La Llorona” is far from a groundbreaking, but it still importantly maintains the tone and creepy atmosphere of the previous Conjuring Universe films.
For those unfamiliar with the tale, “The Curse of La Llorona” is rooted in a tragedy in the early 1600s, when a young mother drowns her sons as a way of punishing her husband for his cheating ways. Fast-forward to the early 1970s, where the evil spirit of the Weeping Woman attaches herself to a social worker (Linda Cardellini) with two young children who she wants to claim as her own.
AUDIO: Reviewing “The Curse of La Llorona” with Tom Barnard on “The KQ Morning Show” on KQRS-FM.
Much like the previous chapters in producers James Wan and Gary Dauberman’s Conjuring Universe (“The Conjuring and its sequel, “Annabelle” and its sequel, and “The Nun”), “The Curse of La Llorona” expertly employs basic but very effective filmmaking techniques. All of the right elements are there, from tension building up to jump scares to a piss-your-pants scary apparition of the Weeping Woman (Marisol Ramirez) to a very capable cast telling the story – even though the script has the human characters woefully walking into situations most people with common sense would avoid.
Like the other Conjuring Universe entries, “The Curse of La Llorona” includes crossover characters as a way to tie sprawling tale together. Since the scenes involving these crossover characters enter the story in a sensible way, it will be interesting to see how any of the other characters – including an ex-priest-turned-evil-spirit-vanquisher (Raymond Cruz, who effectively brings the film its comic relief) – will come into play in future Conjuring Universe offerings.
Given the fact that “The Curse of La Llorona” is largely set in 1973 (the same time frame as the first “Conjuring” movie) and director Michael Chaves is also set to helm “The Conjuring 3” in 2020, chances seem good that we haven’t seen the last of the Weeping Woman, a menacing spirit who has rightfully earned her place in the inventive halls of horror created by Wan and Dauberman.
Lammometer: 7.5 (out of 10)
AUDIO: Reviewing “The Curse of La Llorona” with Paul Douglas on “Paul and Jordana” on WCCO-AM.
Tim Lammers reviews movies weekly for The KQ92 Morning Show,” “KARE 11 News at 11” (NBC), WCCO Radio, WJON-AM, KLZZ-FM, “The Tom Barnard Podcast” and “The BS Show” with Bob Sansevere.
Fall movie season officially got underway last weekend with the release of the horror thriller “The Nun,” which debuted with a smashing $54 million take at the domestic box office and $77.5 million overseas for a worldwide total of more than $131 million, a particularly impressive number for an R-rated film.
Those who caught the film likely were delighted to find that in addition to the film’s unnerving displays of tension, horror and gore, are scenes in “The Nun” that were broken up with comic relief — something that screenwriter Gary Dauberman feels is essential to give moviegoers the complete package.
“I’ve been banging that drum for a while that you need comic relief. If you can have those moments of levity, it makes the scary parts even scarier, and the funny parts even funnier because you have a contrast,” Dauberman said in phone conversation Friday from Los Angeles. “If you go too far in one direction and just stay there, you run the risk of it flatlining. So, if you can throw humor in there you have to do it. That’s why I love horror because you can get away with that stuff. You’re not switching genres, but you get to play around with different things — and other genres you don’t necessarily have the license to do that.”
“The Nun” is the fifth movie in what has come to be known as The Conjuring Universe, where all the films — “The Conjuring” and its sequel, “Annabelle” and its prequel “Annabelle: Creation,” and now, “The Nun” — have been tied together thanks to some indelible supporting characters who have taken on lives of their own. It began with Annabelle, the creepy, demonically-possessed doll introduced in the opening scene of “The Conjuring” that got a solo movie and was further explored with the prequel “Annabelle: Creation”; and in the interim, the character of Valak — evil which takes the form of a nun — made her unnerving debut in “The Conjuring 2.”
Dauberman, the scribe who co-wrote the 2017 blockbuster “IT,” is a key contributor to The Conjuring Universe, having written the screenplays to both “Annabelle” movies. He also wrote the screenplay and is an executive producer on “The Nun,” based on a story he co-wrote with The Conjuring Universe architect James Wan, who wrote and directed both “Conjuring” movies.
“What I like about being in the Universe, and James says it is accidental and it really is, is that it’s happening organically,” Dauberman said. “If we feel there’s a movie that’s a supporting character that established in another movie, we go after that. But I don’t think we go into any of these movies, saying, ‘Hey, let’s see if we can find something we can spinoff into another movie.’ I like that it’s unfolding organically and at a pace where we are allowed to dig in and come up with some cool stuff. I also think one of the reasons why The Conjuring Universe has had the success that it’s had is because we’re just really genuine fans of it ourselves. We’re very protective of it.”
Directed by Corin Hardy, “The Nun” stars Demian Bichir as Father Burke, a priest dispatched by the Vatican in 1952 to investigate the suicide of a nun in a remote abbey in the hills of Romania.
Accompanied by a novitiate, Sister Irene (Taissa Farmiga), Burke and the young nun in training soon encounter the demonic spirit Valak, who appears in the physical world as a ghoulish nun (Bonnie Aarons), and learn of the gateway from hell from which the evil entity emerged.
“The Nun” has everything horror fans love about the genre, a distinctive villain, moments of piercing tension followed by jump scares, gore used in a judicious and not gratuitous manner, and of course, the welcome element of humor. On top of that, the film has a sense of dread bubbling just under the surface to keep its audience members ill at ease thanks to its foreboding atmosphere (with great shots of fog rolling in a graveyard, etc.) and a Gothic setting reminiscent of the great Hammer Horror films of the 1960s and ’70s.
“I think approaching the corner is far scarier than turning the corner and seeing what lurks there and shining a spot on the monster. I think knowing something’s under the bed but not seeing it is far scarier. It’s theater of the mind sort-of thing that you can play around with,” Dauberman said. “I give all the credit in the world to Corin Hardy, as well as Maxime Alexandre, the director of photography, who did a fantastic job just painting these beautiful pictures like the fog in the graveyard, and Jen Spence, who continues to knock it out of the park with her production design. It was really just a great team who we worked with before that we’re comfortable with an have a shorthand together.”
While Dauberman is no doubt celebrating the big opening weekend of “The Nun,” he can’t leave the champagne uncorked for too long.
He is also the sole screenwriter on “IT: Chapter 2,” which is currently in production and slated for a September 2019 release, and is taking on dual duties of writer and director of the next, yet-to-be-titled “Annabelle” film, which goes into production in October just as “IT: Chapter 2” wraps shooting.
Until then, Dauberman said he’ll be remaining in the company of a pair of unforgettable props from The Conjuring Universe, dreaming of how to frighten people next.
“I’m sitting in the offices of ‘Annabelle 3’ right now and I have Annabelle the doll sitting across from me, and I have a painting of ‘The Nun’ hanging on the wall to help inspire me as I help craft the scares for the next one,” Dauberman enthused.
Thankfully, when Dauberman leaves for the night, he leaves his scary plaything and painting behind; but that’s not to say his creative mind doesn’t play tricks on him.
“I’d be lying if I didn’t say that when I come back in the morning, I go, ‘Is everything in the right place? Did anything move?'” Dauberman quipped. “It’s the equivalent of checking under the bed at night.”
